Curse

Jam Jar · Aug 13, 2009, 08:16 PM // 20:16

I've been messing around with my warrior, and was picking up dual DW, trying it out in RA:

1. Frenzy
2. Rush
3. Bull Strike
4. Optional
5. Dismember
6. Eviscerate {E}
7. Executioner's
8. Resurrection Signet

The build faired decently, but I'm wondering if this is or isn't viable in this meta. I've heard from friends that guilds in the past used to run dual DW, but not anymore. Why not? Spreading Deep Wound is essential to pressure, no? Why don't people run it anymore? Has the meta changed? Too much condition removal?

In addition, if having another DW is indeed a better choice for a utility skill, would running even more be viable (i.e. Bull Strike/Shock -> Weapon Switch -> Crushing Blow, or Merciless Spear)? Adding more DW would be gimpy, and you would sacrifice a larger spike, but you do have an optional slot, and adding more DW could add to pressure.

Jaran Cell · Aug 13, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26

1 Deep wound is enough. An interrupt or teleport is better utility than an additional DW.

riceangel · Aug 13, 2009, 09:35 PM // 21:35

More then one source of deep wound on ur own bar is redundant, this doesnt rule out your teams other warriors bringing their own deepwound

Lux Aeterna · Aug 13, 2009, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Frequent deep wounds from dismember is probably best.

Personally I like dismember better than eviscerate for this reason -- more frequent deep wounds at a small damage cost, if one target gets healed I'm instantly spiking somewhere else. I also like to run entirely 5 and 6 adrenaline skills for the same reason; every time I get a kill I can cycle through my entire spike without waiting at all to build it.

Even body blow has a bit of a high cost for its damage, I like axe rake better because it forces targets to remove conditions, giving them something to do instead of kiting far away while I try to hit them with body blow.

Dismember = perfect
Eviscerate = weak in the current meta
Dismember and Eviscerate = overkill

Shrimz · Aug 13, 2009, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Dismember + Cleave is the way to go.

Greedy Gus · Aug 13, 2009, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Valk (from uP & RED) had been playing a max damage pressure bar like that at least over the past week, and he's probably one of the best warriors playing the game atm.

dismember
agonizing chop
prot strike
bull's strike
eviscerate{E}
frenzy
rush
res

Morgoth the dark · Aug 13, 2009, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by Shrimz

Dismember + Cleave is the way to go.

you mean Dismember and Whirling axe is way to go.

Lux Aeterna · Aug 13, 2009, 10:17 PM // 22:17

Is protector's strike any good on axe?

It's great on hammer.

Iotan · Aug 13, 2009, 10:22 PM // 22:22

This should only even be considered in a pressure build where you're putting enough pressure on the opposing RC that he isn't able to remove every deep would on his team. In spike builds deep wound just screams out "RC RC RC RC RC" and it seems that most people still play with spike tactics.

Greedy Gus · Aug 14, 2009, 12:36 AM // 00:36

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

Is protector's strike any good on axe?

It's great on hammer.

At least as good, because you can turn on zealous, actually pump them out, and actually hit the conditional a lot with the great synergy with rush instead of just adding an extra hit on a KD target.

Jam Jar · Aug 14, 2009, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

Frequent deep wounds from dismember is probably best...

I think many of you guys are missing the point. The point of the build is to spread DW faster on different targets on the enemy so that you can improve pressure from the midline/frontline, not use both on the same target, that's just idiotic.

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

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dismember
agonizing chop
prot strike
bull's strike
eviscerate{E}
frenzy
rush
res

Just curious, what's the point of AC/PS over BB/Exe? My educated guess is for more pressure, or are the two proven to outdamage/outpressure/outspike BB/Exe?

Lux Aeterna · Aug 14, 2009, 02:38 AM // 02:38

Agonizing chop charges faster and is an interrupt, many people bring it instead of dchop, protector's strike is all around sweet and I'll probably try it on axe with a zealous.

What's the point of putting deep wounds on multiple targets? Faking out prots?

subarucar · Aug 14, 2009, 03:25 AM // 03:25

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

Agonizing chop charges faster and is an interrupt, many people bring it instead of dchop, protector's strike is all around sweet and I'll probably try it on axe with a zealous.

What's the point of putting deep wounds on multiple targets? Faking out prots?

Faking prots. Also most monks will try strip it, using energy, if left unremoved they are an easier spike target. If it gets stripped from a target you wat to pressure you can reapply quickly.

I Angra I · Aug 14, 2009, 03:51 AM // 03:51

I like dual deepwound bars a lot and it is able to put on a lot of pressure and spike incredibly frequently, which is really nice in the era of the game where midliners are dealing out the most damage over anything else. However regardless of that, for something like RA, or even in GvG, I'd still say bring shock over the 2nd deepwound. The only time 2 deepwounds is going to be a good option is when you are needing to bring a hard res and therefore can't be /E or something else.

urania · Aug 14, 2009, 06:58 AM // 06:58

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

Frequent deep wounds from dismember is probably best.

Personally I like dismember better than eviscerate for this reason -- more frequent deep wounds at a small damage cost, if one target gets healed I'm instantly spiking somewhere else. I also like to run entirely 5 and 6 adrenaline skills for the same reason; every time I get a kill I can cycle through my entire spike without waiting at all to build it.

Even body blow has a bit of a high cost for its damage, I like axe rake better because it forces targets to remove conditions, giving them something to do instead of kiting far away while I try to hit them with body blow.

Dismember = perfect
Eviscerate = weak in the current meta
Dismember and Eviscerate = overkill

thats why u run prage with dismember.
at least in arenas, one or multiple deep wounds dont do shit. apart from giving +15 additional armor the the monk, unless u think u can kill anything with damage-skills-only kind of a warr (smite times that made even that possible are over, sorry)..a warrior who has d chop still poses a bigger threat than a warr with dual deep wounds, but yeah. This is TA perspective, dunno how it would work like in gvg. stances would very likely eat that build alive in any case.

u wanna spread deep wounds? run ws derv with wild blow.

Greedy Gus · Aug 14, 2009, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by Jam Jar

Just curious, what's the point of AC/PS over BB/Exe? My educated guess is for more pressure, or are the two proven to outdamage/outpressure/outspike BB/Exe?

Not sure, although you wouldn't want four adren attack skills on the same bar. Maybe he had specific ideas in mind with the two increased activation speed skills. He was constantly churning out skills for rapid spikes and pressure, and changed evis to whirling at least for the matches I obsed a few days ago.

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Originally Posted by I Angra I

The only time 2 deepwounds is going to be a good option is when you are needing to bring a hard res and therefore can't be /E or something else.

I would question that, they're really two different intentions. Shock is not simply an option that is better or worse than things on an absolute scale that you always want if your secondary is free. Shock is more playstyle defining or strategy-minded and could actually get in the way of a micro-intensive pressure bar/playstyle.

Bobby2 · Aug 15, 2009, 11:10 AM // 11:10

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

I would question that, they're really two different intentions. Shock is not simply an option that is better or worse than things on an absolute scale that you always want if your secondary is free. Shock is more playstyle defining or strategy-minded and could actually get in the way of a micro-intensive pressure bar/playstyle.

Hehe... dare I leave Shock at home? Prot Strike is godly, but then again so is KDlocking (expensive though it might be). Trying this for a while...

PRage
Rush
Bull's
Prot
Dismember
Ago
DChop
res sig

IMMORTAlMITCH · Aug 15, 2009, 12:36 PM // 12:36

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

Valk (from uP & RED) had been playing a max damage pressure bar like that at least over the past week, and he's probably one of the best warriors playing the game atm.

wat?

And if you want 2 deep wounds on your bar, run Eviscerate and Bodyblow. Dismember + any other DW is kinda redundant because of how spammable Dismember already is.

Yue · Aug 15, 2009, 01:20 PM // 13:20

dual deep wounds is better on a paragon since you'll actually be able to spread it. on a warrior it just means you drop a damage skill you'd have otherwise.

Osiris_sam · Aug 15, 2009, 01:23 PM // 13:23

i have tried this in the past. as has already been said, its nearly useless in arenas (if you cant pressure/spike out a single monk with 1dw, 2 isnt gonna help you any). better to run agonising and dchop in arenas.

and in gvg, like mitch said, body blow is prefectly viable as a second dw if you have a source of cracked armor, as well as being a good followup for dismember/evis (depending on your str spec). granted havin 2 to fake out prots may be a good tactic to employ (but im no expert), surely there are better ways of doing this without sacrificing functionality